Tuesday, 11 January 2000
Briefers:
Rand Beers (Assistant Secretary of State, International Narcotics Law Enforcement)
Peter Romero (Acting Assistant Secretary of State, Western Hemisphere Affairs)
Arturo Valenzuela (President's Assistant for Inter-American Affairs
Moderator: Charles Silver
Charles Silver
Good afternoon.
I am Charles Silver. I am the director of the State Department's
Washington Foreign Press Center. Our guests today are Mr. Peter Romero,
acting assistant secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs; Mr.
Rand Beers, assistant secretary of State for International Narcotics and
Law Enforcement; and Mr. Arturo Valenzuela, special assistant to the
president for Inter-American Affairs. Our guests today will brief on the
record regarding the announcement of a new aid package to Colombia. Mr.
Beers will make an opening statement on behalf of all three of our guests,
and then they'll take your questions.
Sir?
Rand Beers
Thank you very much.
We are here today to talk about a nearly $1.6 billion assistance package
that the president is announcing and asking Congress to approve. It
involves approximately $300 million in regular appropriations in the 2000
and 2001 budget, a $954 million emergency supplemental in fiscal year
2000, and $318 million of additional funds in fiscal year 2001.
This represents an historical opportunity within the region, and in
Colombia in particular, to deal with the serious counternarcotics problems
that exist on a regional basis, and also an opportunity for Colombia to
deal with several difficult situations that it has, in addition to drugs,
in association with the peace process, with the economy, and with the
whole issue of social development and human rights.
This is a comprehensive and an integrated package. It is balanced among
its several elements. While it starts primarily from the counternarcotics
area, there is a major new initiative in the areas of alternative
development, human rights and judicial reform.
It is also a regional package. There are modest regional additions to our
regular budget in this, in recognition that we cannot deal with this
problem exclusively in Colombia but that it is a regional issue. In
addition to it, the government of Colombia will be contributing
approximately $4 billion toward the $7.5 billion effort.
In addition to the United States, we are expecting support from the
international financial institutions and other donors. To date, the IMF
has already made available $2.7 million in a lending facility. And there
are expectations of possibly as much as an additional $3 billion from the
other international financial institutions, although not necessarily
directly in support of Plan Colombia.
This effort has five general areas.
It will involve a push into southern Colombia by Colombian security
forces, as well as alternative development in that area. It will involve a
major interdiction effort, both in the air, on the ground and on the river
systems, both in Colombia and more broadly in the region. It will also
involve an alternative development effort, which will relate both to
Colombia and Peru, Bolivia and Ecuador. And it will involve boosting the
government's capacity to deal with human rights and judicial institutions
within Colombia, as well as general support for the peace process.
Let me stop there, and we'll be open to questions from you all.
Silver
Okay. Since we have three guests, let me ask if you would wait
for the microphone, please identify yourself, indicate to which of our
three guests your question is directed.
Questions?
Question
Doug Waller (sp) with Time magazine. Of the five areas that it will deal
with, can you break out in terms of the percentage of funding that will go
to each of those five, of the U.S. side, the $1.6 million (sic).
Beers
We do not have a precise break out --
Peter Romero
I've actually got some numbers here, okay --
Beers
Oh, okay, fine. Go ahead.
Romero
-- they don't give you percentages, they just give you
numbers. Okay.
In terms of the campaign into southern Colombia, and this also involves
purchase of Black Hawks, Hueys, et cetera, we're talking about $600
million. For the purposes of enhancing interdiction, and that's amplifying
airstrips, purchasing aircraft, radars, et cetera, $340 million. For the
purposes of coca eradication -- that's Mr. Beers' air wing in Colombia,
the spraying air wing -- and we're talking about $96 million.
Question
Is that the alternative development effort?
Romero
No. No. That comes next. Alternative development at about $145
million. And then what Mr. Beers
was referring to by way of good governance, strengthening government
capacity, judicial reform, money laundering, et cetera, about $93 million.
Beers
That will only add up to about $1.3 billion. The other $300
million are regular INL, regular DOD programs that are already existing in
the base budget. This is the new part of this package.
Arturo Valenzuela
The fifth piece there has also some funding, but it's a
smaller amount, that's the peace process.
Romero
Ah, excuse me. I left that out.
Beers
Right, it's actually included in the last total that Peter gave
you.
Valenzuela
It's about $5 million.
Silver
A question over there.
Question
Jim Cason, La Jornada in Mexico. For Mr. Beers, two questions. One, the
human rights groups keep saying that the paramilitaries are responsible
for more than 50 percent of the killings in Colombia right now. What part
of this package is going to deal with the paramilitaries?
Beers
There is an element of this package which will strengthen the
human rights capacity of the government of Colombia overall.
The dollar amount is on the order of -- and I don't have the exact figure
-- about $10 million over the two-year period. It will support the
government's judicial system and the prosecutors and the police to
investigate human rights abuses, which will, as you quite correctly point
out, look heavily in the direction of the paramilitaries, since that's
where most of those activities are taking place.
Question
My other question is a more general question, is, why so much money for
Colombia? Is it the U.S. --
Beers
As opposed to?
Question
As opposed to using the money for domestic provisions, which a lot of
people seem to prefer in this country. You've got -- is it your
contention that Colombia was about to collapse if they didn't get this
money? If -- what would happen if Colombia didn't get this money, I guess,
would be the question.
Beers
We would miss an extraordinary historic opportunity to actually
deal with the drug problem in the supply side, in the Andean region. The
circumstances that the current situation offers us is basically three
countries in which the leadership of the countries are committed to
undertake this effort. In two of those countries, Peru and Bolivia, we
have successful activities which have reduced the overall prevalence of
coca cultivation by over 50 percent in both of those countries. And we
have the opportunity now in Peru to complete that process by capping and
beginning to reduce coca and opium poppy cultivation in the third country.
Valenzuela
Could I add --
Beers
This is historic.
Valenzuela
Eighty percent of the cocaine entering the United States
comes from Colombia.
Beers
Because it moves there from the others countries, to be
processed --
Valenzuela
Moves there from the other countries, and now it's being
produced also as well in that particular area, as we've cut back on the
production in Peru and in Bolivia.
And the other thing, if I might also add to your first question, the
counternarcotics battalions that are in there to try to protect the police
as it goes in to eradicate the coca fields may tangle with some
paramilitary elements that are supporting the narco-traffickers. This is
not -- the narco-traffickers are not being supported only by guerrilla
elements, but also in some cases by paramilitary elements. There is a --
Beers
I'm sorry. I've got to go -- (off mike).
Romero
Let me just take off on what Randy was talking about earlier
and what Arturo alluded to. This is a historic opportunity for us. When
you look at what preceded the current president in Colombia, you had a
narco-tainted president, one that did not take leadership, and allowed
human rights abuses -- gross human rights abuses -- to go unpunished.
This is a president who has taken the issue of human rights abuses inside
of his military very seriously, has removed general officers and colonels
and others from posts because of their suspected collaboration with
paramilitaries. He has bitten the bullet on extraditions. Operation
Millennium arrested over 30 narco-kingpins in Colombia. He has moved --
been as flexible as any human being could possibly be, to continue to move
the peace process ahead and to keep that peace process alive.
This is a historic opportunity. This is the first comprehensive,
integrated plan that I have ever seen -- certainly Dr. Valenzuela will
share that with me -- in Colombia to deal with all of the problems that
Colombia faces in an integrated, holistic way. And it's an opportunity,
more than anything else, that we shouldn't let pass.
Silver
We have a question over here.
Question
Yes. Maria Elona (sp) from La Nacion, from Argentina. You said before
that it was a regional package, that this means that other countries are
also receiving money from this package or that you have more money going
into Peru and Bolivia? And also, how concerned are you about the
popularity of Pastrana, that is now under 70 percent in Colombia, and also
the political situation in Peru, which is not an easy one?
Valenzuela
Yeah, let me say that there is a portion of this overall
package for other countries as well. One of the elements that's there --
we're looking at Colombia, but also we're looking at the regional
counternarcotics picture, and there's about $118 million that is actually
going to support some of the efforts in Bolivia and in Peru, as well as
there's some amounts of money in the overall package, not necessarily in
the supplemental, but also in some of the money that's already been put
into some of the agencies' base budget to address the forward-operating
locations, which is a way of trying to deal with interceptions within the
region as a whole.
I think it's important to maintain the gains that we've had in Peru and in
Bolivia, and we intend to do so.
If you want to refer to the other -- what did the other -- it had to do
with Peru and -- ?
Question
The political situation, both in Colombia and in Peru.
Valenzuela
Well, I think they're very different situations. I think
that you referred to the low level of sort of popular support that
Pastrana has. Let me just say that we understand the situation that often
leaders have with taking difficult decisions. We think that this
particular package of support will be of assistance to Pastrana.
But let me emphasize that this is not a support for a particular president
or a particular government. It is support for Colombia and for a process
in Colombia that Colombians generally and across the board really believe
in and want.
We've seen the human rights -- the peace demonstrations in Colombia that
have taken place over the last few weeks, a massive outpouring among
people who want the peace process to work. I think that this is the signal
we're sending. This is support for a process in Colombia, generally.
Question
And Peru?
Valenzuela
I think what Peru faces are very -- I mean, I think in
Peru, what we can say about both Peru and Bolivia, is that there has been
notable success in the whole question of eradication and cultivation of --
a cutback on the cultivation of coca. There's been notable success on
interdiction in the area. This is one of the reasons why there is so much
of a focus on Colombia now, is with the success in Bolivia and in Peru,
you see a quantum increase in the cultivations in Colombia.
Peru has a difficult election coming up this year, and, you know, our
concern not only in Peru and other places is that the progress that has
been made in building democratic institutions be maintained.
Question
Yes. Ana Baron from Clarin. I was wondering how would you evaluate the
impact that it could have in the peace process? I mean, everybody speaks
that in a way, if you increment military aid, this will mean something for
the peace process -- so, because of this problem that is very difficult to
separate the guerrillas from the narcotraffic in some cases. So, how do
you evaluate that and which are the dangers that both of you see on that?
Romero
Well, this package is designed to support counternarcotics and
good governance and interdiction, alternative development, et cetera. We
would hope also that it would support the peace process. Certainly, the
government has been disappointed at the amount of time that it has taken
to commence real negotiations. I think that there is an opportunity now,
looking at it. There's a 12- point agenda, there have been meetings that
have been ongoing over the last several weeks, and I think the prospects
look better than they've ever looked for peace negotiations to begin in
earnest.
But it's obvious that the guerrillas have embarked, ever since the
beginning of the Pastrana administration, on a talk-fight strategy. That
is, they are willing to talk but at the same time they have engaged in
deliberate attacks throughout the country.
What we are doing here, hopefully, is to try to strengthen those
government institutions to deal with the kind of lawlessness inherent in
Colombia, but also to be able to increase government presence on the
ground in areas that have been virtual vacuums for civilian authority --
police-civilian authorities -- and the military. If the guerrillas
believe that this is a threat, then I guess my only suggestion would be
that they begin to look seriously at negotiations as a real "salida," as
the only real course to take, and engage in them seriously.
Valenzuela
If I might just add, to complement what the ambassador has
said, and that is that there is no intention on the part of the United
States to get involved in a counterinsurgency effort or in a
counterinsurgency operation at all. We made it very, very clear from the
outset that our concern and interest is to cut back on the capacity of the
narcotraffickers to produce, to ship, in Colombia.
But let me say that there is substantial evidence that certain guerrilla
groups have derived a significant amount of income from the
narcotrafficking operations. With a significant success in combatting the
narcotrafficking operation, you are going to see a reduction in the income
that paramilitary, as well as guerrilla, organizations have.
And you know, this may be an incentive for them to think about coming to
the table. But that's not the purpose right here. Let me made clear about
-- the purpose is a very focused one, and that is that we are looking
towards counterdrug operations. There is not going to be any significant
increment of U.S. military presence in Colombia as a result of this. The
support is through training, it's through equipment, it's through
intelligence and that sort of thing. That needs to be very, very clear.
Silver
Okay. Let's take a question.
Question
Hi. Miguel Diaz. I am a free-lancer.
If you could address the issue of the military/paramilitary connection and
the probable impact that any increase in military aid to the military
might have in that there are considerable ties between the paramilitary
and the military.
Romero
We are obligated, under force of law in the United States,
something that we call the Leahy Amendment, to only provide training and
assistance to those units which do not have in their ranks, violators of
human rights. And we have continued to abide by that. And this package
will be very much underneath that force of law.
The bulk of this, if you look at it, particularly as it relates to the
push into Southern Colombia and to the Putumayo area, centers around the
creation of three counternarcotics battalions. One has already graduated,
graduated in December -- is in the process of being deployed now. The
other two will be trained over the next year. And when we work with the
Colombians to create these battalions, the officers and enlisted men are
vetted for human rights before they go into them.
And we will continue to support other units, but only as long as those
units do not have in them officers and enlisted who have engaged in gross
violations of human rights, as per our law.
The other part of it you need to remember too is that the effort that we
will be supportive of Plan Colombia is the push into the Putumayo, into
southern Colombia, where there does not exist the kind of nexus between
paramilitaries and narcos, et cetera. Most of that is in the Choco, up in
the northern area, with Venezuela, et cetera, and is not at least -- at
least not to the present -- a phenomenon, by and large, in southern
Colombia.
And finally, we think that the prospects for continued human rights
strengthening is very good, because President Pastrana has done as much as
he's done already to put certain militaries on notice that the collusion
with paramilitaries will not be accepted in any form.
Question
Excuse me, but I find it a little bit incredible that this is all for
counternarcotics. Are there actually -- the biggest part of this package
is the helicopters, money-wise. Are there restrictions on the use of that
helicopters, like you provided in places like Mexico, to say, "You can
only deploy these helicopters when you're going after drug traffickers
linked to the FARC or other guerrilla groups"? Or are there no
restrictions? And if there are restrictions, what are the restrictions?
Romero
Well, the counternarcotics battalions will be the ones that
make use of those helicopters. There will be approximately 30 Blackhawks,
and I think we're in the process of providing 33 of these UH-1Ns, the
two-motor Hueys -- the two-engine Hueys. And they're provided to these
counternarcotics battalions that have been vetted, et cetera, and who will
be deployed in southern Colombia in the principal narco-area in the
coca-growing region.
Question
So has Colombia signed something, as Mexico was forced to sign, for
instance, that says, "You cannot use this if you're not going after drug
traffickers"?
Romero
Whether they sign it or not, there will be a very strong
understanding that this is what they use them for, because they will be
going to units whose sole creation has been to fight counternarcotics.
I don't exactly know where you're going with all of this, but I think that
what I'm saying is that we have had zero push-back from the Colombians in
terms of our support for the creation of three counternarcotic battalions,
and the terms under which our support continues, and that is under the
Leahy law. And there's been excellent cooperation, not just with President
Pastrana, who sets the tone, but also with Minister Ruiz or Ramirez and
General Tapias.
Question
I'm sorry I wasn't clear. Human Rights Watch last month accused you of a
loose interpretation of the Leahy law, which is why I was pushing you on
this issue.
Romero
Yeah. Well, I'd like to know what's "loose." I consider it to
be something that we adhere to and take very, very seriously, and so do
the Colombians.
Silver
I think we have time for one more question. Let's take it from
over here.
Question
Does this program need --
Silver
Could you identify yourself?
Question
Yoshnori Nakai (sp), Mainichi newspaper, Japan. Does this program need
authorization by Congress?
And do you think that the Republican Congress will approve, support, this
idea without any conditions?
Valenzuela
Let me say that this program has not only been, as
Ambassador Romero said earlier, carefully developed over a long period of
time in terms of the technical side of it, it's also been something that
we've been working at some length with the various leaders on the Hill,
both Republican and Democrat, on for some time. And it is our expectation
that we will be able to work through a bipartisan process to be able to
get approval for this. There has been a significant amount of consultation
on the package already, with the leadership and other relevant members of
the Hill and we expect and we hope that the Congress will approve this in
an expeditious fashion.
Silver
Okay, I'd like to thank our guests. It's been a long day for
them, and they have been doing a lot of briefings. Thank you for coming by
and thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
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